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Topic: Confused on Voting!!!
Posted By: S Dubb
Subject: Confused on Voting!!!
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 10:52pm
Look...

I break verses down, section for section, person for person....  Tell what I like about them and what I dislike about them..... Then at the end of the verse, I explain how I felt about the verse in a whole...... Then I do the same for the next person.....  Then I place my vote and after I cast my vote I even explain why I voted for whom I voted for.....

I'm a skilled topical writer, and I give good twist on topics as well, so I'm experienced when it comes to writing a topical verse......  So you can't say the way I feel about something is because of my lack of topical ability....... I fully understand the route people take when they write their verses.....


I always give 100% honest feedback on how I feel about a verse...... Everyone has different opinions and just because I don't feel the same as the next person on the verse, why should my votes be disallowed?

I don't understand why my votes get canceled...  Voting is about how the reader responds to your verse.... I give my honest feedback, and a honest vote, yet they get rejected?????

What am I suppose to do????

I fully understand everyone's verse, and I gave my full opinion and criticism so what else am I suppose to do????


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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:08pm
if your vote was disallowed it is for one of the following reasons
 
the explanation for vote was very little. example, you tend to copy and paste their verses, then after 4-8 bars you write 1 sentence about it or less, and normally it doesn't say what can be done to improve it. so in essence, the vote was simply not good enough. most ppl get "good" hardly "excellent". so if people are writing a lot more (not including the verse being reviewed) and getting good, there is a scale, and pushes shorter ones to either low and needs improvement, or disallowed.
 
 
another reason would be because the vote and reasoning is poor, and it is noticeable that it is being made with hatred in the mind, whether consciously or subconsciously. easy example, you can look at some of the comments made on my a.e. diss, you can tell its just cuz they were being attacked, but their opinion was being tainted with hate ( I mean, who wouldn't be mad at the person dissing their crew, besides crimson, that selfless prick!). another example, I know axy dropped a long detailed hate feedback on one of the disses or something. I read it, clearly he was being effected by hate/beef. if that was a vote, it would have no doubt been disallowed (no hate axy, just good example lololol).
 
but those would be the main reasons.


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:22pm
Okay, so each lines give 3-5 sentences after each segment I brake down ok...... going to go back and edit my votes.....

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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:22pm
BTW..... Thanks L.P

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Posted By: rhetorical
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by Lord Puente Lord Puente wrote:

if your vote was disallowed it is for one of the following reasons
 
the explanation for vote was very little. example, you tend to copy and paste their verses, then after 4-8 bars you write 1 sentence about it or less, and normally it doesn't say what can be done to improve it. so in essence, the vote was simply not good enough. most ppl get "good" hardly "excellent". so if people are writing a lot more (not including the verse being reviewed) and getting good, there is a scale, and pushes shorter ones to either low and needs improvement, or disallowed.
 
 
another reason would be because the vote and reasoning is poor, and it is noticeable that it is being made with hatred in the mind, whether consciously or subconsciously. easy example, you can look at some of the comments made on my a.e. diss, you can tell its just cuz they were being attacked, but their opinion was being tainted with hate ( I mean, who wouldn't be mad at the person dissing their crew, besides crimson, that selfless prick!). another example, I know axy dropped a long detailed hate feedback on one of the disses or something. I read it, clearly he was being effected by hate/beef. if that was a vote, it would have no doubt been disallowed (no hate axy, just good example lololol).
 
but those would be the main reasons.

i checked his vote in spume vs Alice. Grammatical issues aside, I personally dont see anything wrong with his vote 




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Posted By: Rutter knows best
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:26pm
A vote against me is a wrong vote, and shows a complete lack of understanding of battling.

Jus so you know


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:40pm
^^LMAO RUT


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i checked his vote in spume vs Alice. Grammatical issues aside, I personally dont see anything wrong with his vote 


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Thank you.... I'm not understanding, I feel it's because I didn't feel the same way as they did, but in any case I went back and added more detail

http://www.lyricalassault.co.uk/forum/topical-twist-tornado-alice-v-spume-11_topic44215.html


^^Please check out and tell me how I could possibly add any more detail..... I told what I liked, what I didn't, even gave suggestions..... Then placed my vote, and explained why my vote went the way it did..... So please explain why they aren't being accepted..../.


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Posted By: Beans
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:53pm
Or when you vote like this

Guy 1 had better flow,strucure, vocab

Guy 2 had punches personals and I enjoyed it more

Vote guy 1...

Makes no sense

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Posted By: The Law
Date Posted: 04 January 2017 at 11:54pm
I remember once someone voted against me cause a bar I wrote reminded them of the little lamb. Which it had nothing to do with. I think that was rapper t or rap daemon.. I'm not sure which one. 

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Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 12:09am
OK
It's like this Dubb
You can kick the ass of classics verse newest Jammy Inducted in a Topical
But you have no idea what you prefer when it come to a preference on a Topical battle

WTF is happening here

I should be writing for the Royale already
But fuck it I wanna punch the fuck out of over half the cunts on LA atm

I'm already busy for fucks sake

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Posted By: daydizzle89
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 1:08am
i had some hate vote against me. It was in a wierd way a turn on. 


Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 2:02am
link the battle rhet, or it doesn't exist!
 
I tried taking a peek for it but found spume vs kiki instead, not sure if that the one you talkin about. BUT regardless on if it is or not, you can use this as a great example
 
http://www.lyricalassault.co.uk/forum/title-match-kiki-spirez-vs-spume-25_topic44078.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.lyricalassault.co.uk/forum/title-match-kiki-spirez-vs-spume-25_topic44078.html
 


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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 2:07am
oh, an active one, I was looking in archive.
on that one, your originl post, if you took out all the verses, it wasn't much. your new one tho, I would label it as a good (which i'll do now.)
 
btw, you may want to fix your sig, dub


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 2:10am
Ok, thanks L.P .....  Who seems to be the only one actually trying to help/....

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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 2:30am
everyone does their part. mods have bigger things to take care of. different people serve different purposes with diff responsibilities. example, I haven't done anything with any mag or event.

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Posted By: Rutter knows best
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 2:52am
if i want to sit on the fence..i'll sit on the fence

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#bananas


Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 2:53am
see, we all got jobs
rutt rutt puts fence posts in his butt butt


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:01am
lol.... Rut does a lot on here, I've always respected what he has done.....

Thanks again L.P, appreciate the help homie.....

Cuba = Great at what he does, running the site, keeping things in order, the battle royale, keeping spam and freeposting to a minimum..... does his job perfect

Rut = Great at running the league, posts excellent magazines every week, and keeps it running smoothly..... Excellent at running leagues.....

L.P = Great at helping people when their in need, good at explaining how things work, and giving people the responses their looking for......  Superb at helping people understand how thing run.....

Law = Great at making a joke out of everything, good at lightening the mood in tense situations..... Great personality booster.....


Thanks to all mods, they all do what they do and do it well..... thank you all......


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Posted By: Rutter knows best
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:03am
lol

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Posted By: The Law
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:04am
Originally posted by S Dubb S Dubb wrote:

Law = Great at making a joke out of everything, good at lightening the mood in tense situations..... Great personality booster.....


Thanks to all mods, they all do what they do and do it well..... thank you all......

lol shit I just like to have fun. Too many on here are so uptight all the damn time. 


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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:04am

S Dubb after my intervention

 


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:05am
^^^So very true.... I can tell the mood you enjoy having simply from the dancing banannas..... lol

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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:06am
lol... thanks L.P, this would be twice you've come to my rescue.....

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Posted By: The Law
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:06am
LP over there like this right now after his compliments. I can see him. 




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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:10am
yo law, im really happy for you and im gonna let you finish, BUT I DO ALL OF THE WORK, ALL OF THE TIME!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: The Law
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:12am
Shit, your the grunt. Your supposed to do all the work lol. 

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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:14am
 
 


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:47am
lmao.... can't we all just get along.....

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Posted By: Lord Puente
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 3:52am


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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 4:12am
hhahahahahaha.... NEVER!!!

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Posted By: S Dubb
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 4:49am
http://www.lyricalassault.co.uk/forum/topical-twist-tornado-endeavour-v-kiki-11_topic44216.html


^^Can someone go look at my second vote here and cast it as a good vote as well please.....


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Posted By: daydizzle89
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 12:30pm
neek voted a tie once 


Posted By: Cuba
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 8:33pm
Here's my advice:

Ask yourself the following questions...

1. What do you look for in a verse?
2. What would you currently rate yourself out of 10 in terms of quality of your votes?
3. Do you read other people's votes on battles to understand, a) if you see what they are looking for in a verse, b) you can learn things from people who are more experienced that you when it comes to voting.

My personal observations of your voting are twofold.

1. I notice you say things like "this was decent" (seems to be a word you use a lot) but oftentimes you don't really support your assessment.

2. You have various approaches to voting, which you seem to use randomly. Sometimes you use categories, then you don't, then you go back to categories but they've changed.

Both of these things suggest to me that you have some way to develop when it comes to the quality of your voting.

That said, you clearly are very eager to contribute. You vote a lot. You vote on things very quickly. In fact, sometimes I do wonder if you're in too much of a rush. You could maybe take your time a bit more...that's just generally, you seem to jump straight into acting before taking a second to think sometimes.

Hope that helps.

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Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 8:48pm
Yeah I think that's some good advice, my only problem is an of course am gonna have a problem
How the fuck do so many people manage to get there votes accepted here? I mean there is a constant stream of unqualified votes being accepted on a weekly basis, according to those guidelines

I gotta call this shit some goose gander crap
Please believe this has fuck all to do with my own battle which means on a minimal amount to me compared to my desire to see a legitimate level playing field
Understand you can't vet everything Cubes, but shits gotten retarded on a fucking a Jerk Circle level
Not claiming you fam but please, do not mistaken the other half of the user base as frickin eeedjuts
Spect

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Posted By: Beans
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 8:53pm
Say names or it didn't happen spume


Also I'll be PMing you soon

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Posted By: rhetorical
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 8:56pm
im terribad at feedback 

when i see someone like Self or Exo go in my thread and leave feed. . im like . .  yo, their feedback is better then my verse lmao 




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Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 8:58pm
A constant stream man, if you wanna compare those votes that are being shit atm with say like the last hundred accepted votes then be my guest, I'm calling white water rapids, what you think about it is your bag
IDGAF really

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Posted By: Jay Homicide
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 8:59pm
To go back to a point I made last year, or the year before. It's why I support a 'must use template' system, everyone votes in a different style and it can be confusing as fuck to new guys about how to vote or which way to do it. I've always thought with one standard template we all use, it'd be a lot easier for people to see how you breakdown a verse, and therefore put forward a good vote.


Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 9:02pm
Plus I still ain't wrote a damn word for the Royale yet, so don't hit me up with such a fundamental question bruv, I ain't got time to explain shit to the blind
Own it like me man
Say shit if you wanna
Don't if you dont

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Posted By: rhetorical
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by Jay Homicide Jay Homicide wrote:

To go back to a point I made last year, or the year before. It's why I support a 'must use template' system, everyone votes in a different style and it can be confusing as fuck to new guys about how to vote or which way to do it. I've always thought with one standard template we all use, it'd be a lot easier for people to see how you breakdown a verse, and therefore put forward a good vote.

thats a problem for people like me. I look at all the technical aspects, and yes, they are categories that i sort out in my head and take all into consideration ... but at the end of the day, i will vote on the body of work that entertained or moved me the most 

and that's not always the verse that wins the majority of the categories 






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Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by Jay Homicide Jay Homicide wrote:

To go back to a point I made last year, or the year before. It's why I support a 'must use template' system, everyone votes in a different style and it can be confusing as fuck to new guys about how to vote or which way to do it. I've always thought with one standard template we all use, it'd be a lot easier for people to see how you breakdown a verse, and therefore put forward a good vote.

No one was listening two years ago man
So at least freshen it up
Keep trying though, maybe give it a try three years ago
Sup Jay?

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Posted By: Jay Homicide
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 9:10pm
Yeah voting does seem to be taken more seriously now. I think ultimately if you want people to cover set basis in terms of the content, you need to lay it out exactly what those areas are. 'A well explained cote' A) Is open to what you class as well explained and B) Doesn't mean a good vote if you don't have a good fundamental understanding of what you're supposed to be judging a verse on.


Posted By: Beans
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by spume corrupt spume corrupt wrote:

Plus I still ain't wrote a damn word for the Royale yet, so don't hit me up with such a fundamental question bruv, I ain't got time to explain shit to the blind
Own it like me man
Say shit if you wanna
Don't if you dont


It's bout the tag shit. I'll hit you up in a bit

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Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 9:36pm
Jay
You are spot on mate
I hope you stay up and try to encourage this wisdom to hit fruition

Beano
Def hit me up fam, I got some mad ideas for this number, mostly cocaine based but no the less refreshing
Cool
Now am a try to hit notepad for an hour or so
Spect to both

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Posted By: Nigma
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 10:09pm
'Holy shit' hasn't passed through my mind so frequently since I met that anal addict on christian mingle

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Posted By: Cuba
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 10:23pm
*weighs up whether to respond...and if so, how harsh to be*

Originally posted by spume corrupt spume corrupt wrote:

Jay
You are spot on mate
I hope you stay up and try to encourage this wisdom to hit fruition

No, he's really not. Oh, btw, JayHom's voting statistic's...probably the same since he suggested the voting template however many years ago.

Voting Statistics

0 votes in the past 7 days.

0 votes in the past 30 days.


Gotta say though, great support for S Dubb here...no advice about how to get better, just the old "don't worry bro, you're amongst a tidal wave of shit voting. It's not your fault." 

Remind me not to give you a call if I need a legal defence. You'll be pleading out for 20 years for shop lifting. 

It's cool though, coz Spume probably has loads of real tangible of his own recent votes he can point to. Let's check the voting stats in his profile:

Voting Statistics

0 votes in the past 7 days.

0 votes in the past 30 days.


Nevermind...

Nothing like being the change you want to see in the universe, huh. It's cool though. Let's just complain about the votes you aren't willing to put in yourselves. 

As for the voting template idea. Listen, I respect suggestions aimed at making things better. But it just doesn't work. Here's why:

First hurdle. Is it a mandatory template or a suggested one? If it's mandatory, do I throw out EVERY vote that doesn't use it? What if it's an otherwise excellent vote? But I have to be super anal about process & rules? Because I remember when we tried that & the members weren't big fans of that. If it's guidance, are the people who actually need to use it (aka the so called tidal wave of people who don't know what they're doing) actually going to use it? Well, obviously not, they don't know what they're fucking doing so they don't know they should use a voting template. 

So basically...the people you want to improve are gonna not use it. Then you have to battle them to try and make them use it. Guess what, a whole bunch of people won't bother. Even worse, a whole bunch of people who ARE good voters will be turned off by it...so they won't bother to vote either. I for one would definitely be put off voting if someone told me how to do it. Let alone two fucking guys who don't do any fucking voting. 

Sorry but I don't have time for people who a) talk about how voting should be, but don't do it themselves; b) hijack a thread about EDUCATING a NEW guy about how to IMPROVE and COMPLAIN about voting standards (that's more @ Spume to be fair to Jay) & making ZERO contribution to suggesting how this guy can improve.

P.S. if you mother fuckers actually cared about voting. Recruit people to your crew & lead by example. Get voting in the way you think it should be done. Encourage your crew to do it. Give pointers on your crew board where others can't see it about how to be better. But don't piss and moan, coz otherwise you're part of the problem and not part of the solution.


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Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 10:27pm


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Posted By: spume corrupt
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 11:05pm
I just wasted ten minutes reading this overly contrived bullshit
You have had seven day spells without voting as has every bum on here! Please miss me with that crap...I am a knowledgeable voter with multitudes of solid votes on this site, plus I have always strived to help less developed members elevate on all aspects, including how to behave...so miss me again
What you are doing is being strategically selective with your answers as you are with your blatant favouritism
It fucking stinks, dont mug me off here, I can't stand it no more
You are not coming correct
I am not fucking moaning here I am potentially getting a fucking N in the Royale because you need a reality check and I'm your big brother
Although admittedly you have Mummy on side
Please sleep on this and wake up a better man

PS I love you ya bum

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Posted By: Cuba
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 11:10pm
I'll do you a favour then, we can agree to disagree, I'll lock this & you can go write your 8 lines.

There is absolutely no favouritism though, people can look at my track record and what I put in for the site. I do this for the benefit of everyone, new member, old member, member from another site. Sorry if you have some kind of chip on your shoulder but I've got no favorites. I judge people by their actions and contributions.

Respect to Jay Hom for reading this then responding by voting. If anyone has a problem you can raise it direct or by the General Board.

Locked.

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Posted By: Endeavor
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 11:10pm
Well. Obviously no one is going to help S Dubb in this thread so I'm locking this. If one does intend to help, make a new one.

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