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    Posted: 30 March 2017 at 2:12pm
Identity Crisis: Round 1

- 25-40 Lines 
- Best of 5
- Battlers will be anonymous
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- Wednesday April 5th, Midnight GMT time
- Reserves if needed, Friday April 7th, Midnight GMT time

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Battler 1

Hyper-Reality 

beautiful baby born safely and swarmed with support,
daily doses of devotion poured playfully and painlessly 
performed, grown gainfully and graciously grew form,
forged fierce fellowships faithfully and aimlessly adorned
assiduity and ambition, acquisitioned an admission,
attended an audition to the academy of Ancient Traditions, 
discovering a difference and delivering a deliverance
to others while observing operations of oviparous

cognitive dissonance clicks, "what is this shit?", falsely thinking it was true, 
indoctrinated and propagated, before birth we were tinkered with and skewed
personal insights removed, unnaturally hatched in eggs, mass index
designed in depth, before life was blessed and before we could catch our breath
we died, the cracks came next in the fabrication of reality, it crashed in secs
execs amongst insects, realization as truth infects the subject of experiments
used, to be kept in check, time was mindlessly spent following, wallowing in sorrow,
begging for a less hollow tomorrow to follow, plans for a sharp blow were penned
to crumble the foundations of this utopian society and its propriety,
dropped so minds of men no longer faced regulation of a nation's piety, 
no longer forced to say things when lips were pressed; my wings were spread
now knowing that change exists, changed my existence to the activist they dread
I am the light that the bulb emits, once cracked my spirits amidst the people
no longer blind to evil we will storm cathedrals and steeples crushing weasels
who prevented us from becoming equals by poking and prodding embryos with needles,
upheaval of the deceitful and feeble, committing actions illegal and lethal,

only by witnessing bloodshed could these peaceful plebeians become fearful...
...so I set forth...

one's soul retrieval, only to be done by rituals of a medieval death
knife to the chest and a blade decapitating the head, the guillotine was set,
but before I could exploit their weaknesses they found their strength and flexed,
what happened next I didn't expect, before I was giving my flesh at the capital's steps, 
they found me in a back alley, shot me dead in the head for being a threat, 
Spread word I had left/out visiting friends, preventing the effect of death
by controlling events, hiding the truth by abolishing Cognitive Dissonance

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Battler 32

Hi,


What I do and what I’ve done, I’m being vague of on purpose

Since knowing that may change the way you take me in person


Still,

An intro is compulsory, let’s get this over quick as flashes,

Handing you the brushes, you can paint while I deliver facts

Famous since an enfant, stained me different, didn’t interact

Was highly sensitive. My memory would grip and stash

Rapid learner, people often praised me for my written hand

I told them it’s my focus and I chose it over physics, math,

Or scientific districts, with gifted kids I’m a bit advanced

This problem solver didn’t nap, that’s slippin. Get the picture yet?


What I didn’t tell them is directions given from a hidden phantom

Whispers mixed with chitter-chatter shift my drift at random

I cannot give my hand up as it’s helped me reach this echelon

Fountain that’s been weeping, I’ve drown too deep to crest the top

 

Take a breath and stop cause the beginning of the end’s among us

Adolescent years when the black appears and death is summoned

The day it all changed: when one of them requested something

Felt familiar feelings, it’s efforts affect my facial features

Meaning in his words, didn’t need to say, my brain had reached it


He had asked if I’d trade the secrets kept... to one day teach a test

Now that’s a loaded question.. I toke, I think, and proceed with yes.

He waits a wholesome second then bombarded me with fright

Like the cackles of hyenas with the carcasses in sight

He’s shattering ideas that I’d guarded all my life

Now I’m brandishing the freedom of a sharp and focused mind

Religion? It was started to divide and to chain

Televisions pacifying your desire for change

The entire school system just designs us as slaves

We’re fueled, but our fire and our life is contained

My mood has switched, new existence spiraled in an angels clutch


He grounds me and removes the lust and said “Well, I gave my trust,

But it’s time to pay the debt, and to pay, you must!”

Flames erupt and things look dangerous but they soon fade, look up,

He cloned me, let the duplicate ascend up,  then he fades to dust


I wake up humbled, rub some rubble from the crease of my eye

Then remembered that prologues also needed, it’s nice

He left me one last message, said to study it, to see what hides

I’m fascinated with this captive statement and I squeeze it tight


“It’s better to blast the beacon, glass eruption feeds the sky

Then being trapped in an idea till you suffocate and die.”


Bye.

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Battler 1


Taking the ambitious route I see. I usually get a bit sceptic when seeing chunks of 
text with long lines. Fortunately you were able to support the format with suitable rhymes and
other linguistic devices. I respect your interpretation of the picture. There's a strong element of philosophical reflection there, along with some elegant quotables on their own. 
At times I think it even went a little too deep, I found myself losing the plot within all this 
heavy contemplation. I still think it was the right move for your piece.
Technically it started pretty sharp with some fancy alliteration, then it sorta mellowed out with
enough rhymes to carry the piece further, without overdoing it.
The middle segment felt a bit dense tho, I think one should give the reader
spaces to absorb the content. Overall, a deep and at times heavy to access read.

Highlights:


ssiduity and ambition, acquisitioned an admission,
attended an audition to the academy of Ancient Traditions, 

no longer forced to say things when lips were pressed; my wings were spread
now knowing that change exists, changed my existence to the activist they dread
I am the light that the bulb emits, once cracked my spirits amidst the people
no longer blind to evil we will storm cathedrals and steeples crushing weasels



  









Battler 32

More accessible schemes than your ooponent. The intro, tho compulsory, was a nice way
to set things off. Your take on the picture at hand was pretty out there, and pretty cool at that. 
I wish it dwelved more into the plot twist about the character, because that was interesting to 
say the least. The rest of the narrative here was layed out in neat, straightforward way. 
I like how you focused on foreshadowing by giving small implications to what the real deal was.
Technically, pretty decent. A few simple rhyme solutions here and there, flow kept intact
for the most part. I think some of the bars could have been more polished given it's a 
tourney and all.

Overall: A clever story told in an uncomplicated manner. Bar for bar it could have been a tad bit sharper tho.

Highlights:

What I do and what I’ve done, I’m being vague of on purpose
Since knowing that may change the way you take me in person

Rapid learner, people often praised me for my written hand
I told them it’s my focus and I chose it over physics, math,
Or scientific districts, with gifted kids I’m a bit advanced
This problem solver didn’t nap, that’s slippin. Get the picture yet?

Flames erupt and things look dangerous but they soon fade, look up,
He cloned me, let the duplicate ascend up,  then he fades to dust



Verdict: I don't see any clear winner here, both verses has plenty of strenghts and some 
weaknesses. So.. after reading again I decided to give it to Battler 1. My reasoning is that
his ability to write straight contemplative bars is a more rare trait 
A good battle, could probably go eiter way..

 








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Battler 1

Ok Mr. Flex - I see the Alliteration attempt. Not bad technically. Some kinks to get over but nice attempt here. Problem i had was the end. Fell flat. It doesnt take much to throw a segment or even a whole verse off. The sudden pause at the end leaves my agigitated. Fuck.....


Second Verse - Long bar style. Opener literally had one word to remove and it would have worked nicely. Im getting that this topical is about aging? I feel like you are missing your optimal flow with only a few bad word placements. You have a good set of vocabulary here though. The content is bugging me because i feel like you are filling a few bars and falling off track. Your multis are a little off also. There is parts where i have a picture that is so dope and than i read the next bar and you lose focus.

Third Verse - I feel like segmenting your content in a topical is a big no no if not done properly. Segmenting your topical should be because you are transition the story. If you are going to segment, make sure you keep each segment on topic.One thing i noticed though that was pretty dope was the beginning and ending. Using Cognitive Dissonance, that was a cool way to put this into full circle.

______________________________________________________________________________

Battler 32


First Segment - Ok, this has one of the better flows from the other two battles
that i have voted on. The opener had a few issues and the second bar/line felt forced to fuck though. The metaphoric aspect and content is really dope here. I feel this imagery.

Second Segment - and then you do this shit. Nice opening segment and this one fell flat on flow and steamed away from the opening segment. I dont have much i like here except for the opening bars.

Third Segment - That opener was dope. great flow here and the imagery and content is better. That hyenas line was dope nasty franseska. Boom. I liked it. You still a few syllables off here and there. I think you could have took out a few words and the flow would be pretty dope.

Fourth Segment - Content was here again. I think you could have got completely rid of the second segment and tightened the story and progression. This was a pretty nice read and i enjoyed the attempts and some bars with its imagery. I think you had potential to make this a really Dope drop.


He grounds me and removes the lust and said “Well, I gave my trust,
But it’s time to pay the debt, and to pay, you must!”
Flames erupt and things look dangerous but they soon fade, look up,
He cloned me, let the duplicate ascend up,  then he fades to dust
I wake up humbled, rub some rubble from the crease of my eye
Then remembered that prologues also needed, it’s nice
He left me one last message, said to study it, to see what hides
I’m fascinated with this captive statement and I squeeze it tight
“It’s better to blast the beacon, glass eruption feeds the sky
Then being trapped in an idea till you suffocate and die.”


Bye.





Overall - Mvgt Battler 32. Story and content was much more focused. Battler one lacked the story progression and imagery.  Battler 32 also had a few highlights which i have yet to see in these battles. Good work battler 32
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Battler 1


Hyper-Reality

beautiful baby born safely and swarmed with support,
daily doses of devotion poured playfully and painlessly
performed, grown gainfully and graciously grew form,
forged fierce fellowships faithfully and aimlessly adorned
assiduity and ambition, acquisitioned an admission,
attended an audition to the academy of Ancient Traditions,
discovering a difference and delivering a deliverance
to others while observing operations of oviparous

cognitive dissonance clicks, "what is this shit?", falsely thinking it was true,
indoctrinated and propagated, before birth we were tinkered with and skewed
personal insights removed, unnaturally hatched in eggs, mass index
designed in depth, before life was blessed and before we could catch our breath
we died, the cracks came next in the fabrication of reality, it crashed in secs
execs amongst insects, realization as truth infects the subject of experiments
used, to be kept in check, time was mindlessly spent following, wallowing in sorrow,
begging for a less hollow tomorrow to follow, plans for a sharp blow were penned
to crumble the foundations of this utopian society and its propriety,
dropped so minds of men no longer faced regulation of a nation's piety,

(liked the flow via multi word in the intro and throughout this segment ,plus the details
made the imagery quite vivid,I also liked the concept you used of nurturing,even down
to the eggs part, my guess at this point is the altering of genetics,due to the tinkering
and shit you described,coupled with mentions of a society in utopia,you seem to be
building this up nicely,plus your wording placements/choice is nice,they read real
natural and smooth,yeah so far so good..)

no longer forced to say things when lips were pressed; my wings were spread
now knowing that change exists, changed my existence to the activist they dread
I am the light that the bulb emits, once cracked my spirits amidst the people
no longer blind to evil we will storm cathedrals and steeples crushing weasels
who prevented us from becoming equals by poking and prodding embryos with needles,
upheaval of the deceitful and feeble, committing actions illegal and lethal,

only by witnessing bloodshed could these peaceful plebeians become fearful...
...so I set forth...

one's soul retrieval, only to be done by rituals of a medieval death
knife to the chest and a blade decapitating the head, the guillotine was set,
but before I could exploit their weaknesses they found their strength and flexed,
what happened next I didn't expect, before I was giving my flesh at the capital's steps,
they found me in a back alley, shot me dead in the head for being a threat,
Spread word I had left/out visiting friends, preventing the effect of death
by controlling events, hiding the truth by abolishing Cognitive Dissonance

(the kind of mirror rhyming at the start of this segment was a nice angle i thought,it
had past and present read due to again the wording here,little details like that often
get overlooked,but in essence it count for a lot in the contribution to a verse on the whole,this piece in a way reminds of a movie/film called Blade Runner,where society creates,then the creation wants to be equals and set about making it happen,anyways
i find this Piece creative in that aspect along with the wording and depiction,I found
this verse to be in the vein of ying & yang,creator/creation,good/evil,life/death and so
forth,overall your offering here was solid..)





Battler 32

Hi,

What I do and what I’ve done, I’m being vague of on purpose
Since knowing that may change the way you take me in person

Still,
An intro is compulsory, let’s get this over quick as flashes,
Handing you the brushes, you can paint while I deliver facts
Famous since an enfant, stained me different, didn’t interact
Was highly sensitive. My memory would grip and stash
Rapid learner, people often praised me for my written hand
I told them it’s my focus and I chose it over physics, math,
Or scientific districts, with gifted kids I’m a bit advanced
This problem solver didn’t nap, that’s slippin. Get the picture yet?

What I didn’t tell them is directions given from a hidden phantom
Whispers mixed with chitter-chatter shift my drift at random
I cannot give my hand up as it’s helped me reach this echelon
Fountain that’s been weeping, I’ve drown too deep to crest the top

Take a breath and stop cause the beginning of the end’s among us
Adolescent years when the black appears and death is summoned
The day it all changed: when one of them requested something
Felt familiar feelings, it’s efforts affect my facial features
Meaning in his words, didn’t need to say, my brain had reached it

(liking the start here,especially the part about giving paint brushes for the reader to
form an opinion as such was a nice inclusion,and offering participation counts for a
lot in drawing a reader in too,plus this segment as of yet gives the impression that
there's trouble brewing,like the character is a pawn in the grand scheme of what's to
come,plus this piece has a vibe of being direct and straight into it with no fussing,
a good start with sprite..)

He had asked if I’d trade the secrets kept... to one day teach a test
Now that’s a loaded question.. I toke, I think, and proceed with yes.
He waits a wholesome second then bombarded me with fright
Like the cackles of hyenas with the carcasses in sight
He’s shattering ideas that I’d guarded all my life
Now I’m brandishing the freedom of a sharp and focused mind
Religion? It was started to divide and to chain
Televisions pacifying your desire for change
The entire school system just designs us as slaves
We’re fueled, but our fire and our life is contained
My mood has switched, new existence spiraled in an angels clutch

He grounds me and removes the lust and said “Well, I gave my trust,
But it’s time to pay the debt, and to pay, you must!”
Flames erupt and things look dangerous but they soon fade, look up,
He cloned me, let the duplicate ascend up, then he fades to dust

I wake up humbled, rub some rubble from the crease of my eye
Then remembered that prologues also needed, it’s nice
He left me one last message, said to study it, to see what hides
I’m fascinated with this captive statement and I squeeze it tight

“It’s better to blast the beacon, glass eruption feeds the sky
Then being trapped in an idea till you suffocate and die.”

Bye.

(I like this segment better than the 1st to be honest,firstly there's more depth to it and
the general flow is tighter also,then there's the contents,you had some good flashes of
society that for most part I agree with,and it exist in this world now,schooling/Religion
/TV,this is thought provoking in itself really and the simile about the laughing hyenas
was good as it stuck out,I also get the character is being manipulated and controlled
by some external force/being with a dark nature,and that ending with its words of
wisdom was quite clever,I liked the angle you came with in relation to the picture,an
enjoyable solid read I thought..)


Overall solid drops by both that gave me enjoyment on reading,i liked both angles with
which they were displayed,but there has to be a winner right?,happily as well as sadly
for the other person there was,for me it was Battler 1,here my reasoning,he had the
deeper take on the insert out the 2,he also gave me jog in memory of a film I liked with
their concept,and I read just that bit more polished on the whole,and it was only theses
differences that separated you both,props to both on a hard to call tussle.

Vote... Battler 1..peace.


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Heeeeeeeeey, the numero uno!! Mi amigo grande!! The number 1 contender!! Battler 1!

Anyway...don't know if it's because I've had a long day in the office or the writing style but the first part just gave me a headache. I found it really hard to get through, I think I'd basically say it came off as being over the top. The word selection felt like you went for the complex version of the word, so it was a bit gratuitous for me. Same with the assonance and alliteration, sometimes less is more and you can make more of an impact by utilising it in a shorter span. To be honest, content wise, I don't really understand what you were trying to say. It felt like filler, crafted with someone of a lot of knowledge of the tools of writing, but just filler nevertheless. 

The second segment I felt was better, more accessible and noticeably toned down. Which are all positives from my eyes. Personally I feel like you would benefit greatly from taking it a notch or two further down in terms of the technical demonstration of prowess and try and express the underlying metaphor you were going for more eloquently. I got the sense of a '1984' style world & reflecting that back against the picture that you're ultimately writing about...I can kind of see where you're coming from. A city that's in a bit of a glass bubble where the "truth" aka "light" is shattering the 'bubble'. But for me, I'm having to do a lot of inferring there & I don't really think you captured enough of that essence. You could've been a lot more intelligent with your word selection if this is what you were going for. For instance you said at one point "crumble the foundations"...why couldn't you have said "shatter" there? Would've tied in a lot better to the image and been consistent with the metaphor you were aiming for. I think for me if you'd been more considerate with details like that through your verse then you wouldn't have to crowbar in the "I'm the light the bulb emits" metaphor to try and tie back to the image. That was really the only direct linkage I noticed and I don't really think that's enough to cut it.

So yeah, overall I think you showed a lot of technical knowledge and quality. I thought you created a good sense of the world you were describing, but you could've focused more on bringing that to life more and being more considered with your word selection and imagery to tie that back into the picture. Ultimately it was a good verse with a vague linking back to the image. So gives you a chance to advance but equally a chance to be eliminated.

Battler 32

Heeeeeeeeeeyyy, el capitan!! The speaker of truth & wisdom!! The founding great grandfather!! Battler 32!

Anyway...straight away I felt you had a better natural flow and rhythm to your verse than Battler 1. I could here the 'voice' in my head going through the rhyme, which is very good. First challenge I'd have is it feels to me as a reader than you are squeezing in extra syllables into your lines, as although you have that natural rhythm and flow it feels extended and ends later than what feels like the natural point. I get that it's tough to articulate what you want to say in fewer syllables, but that's the challenge of a writer!! You need to force yourself to cut unnecessary syllables out. In terms of the story I feel like I would be making similar criticisms of you as the previous writer. The story was there & you created the world but for me the links back to the image were tenuous and I would've liked to see you do a better overall job at that. That said, when you did make the links there were of really good quality and I felt were more engaging and intriguing to me as a reader. I really only noticed 2 and I think if you'd had got 3 or 4 in there like that then I'd have been satisfied. I'd almost have sacrificed some of your opening segments to do that as that (like the previous battler) also felt a bit padded and gratuitous. Other criticisms would be to be less lazy with your imagery, things like "quick as flashes" aren't worth including. Imagery is a powerful weapon but only worth using if it's a quality piece of imagery. To be fair, you did improve this later in the verse...the "like the cackles of hyenas" was a real high quality one. Just need to maintain that level of quality and consistency. I'd also say you did a much better job of creating an engaging story than your opponent, although I labelled your opening "gratuitous" as well as your opponents I felt like yours was only really bordering on that & you could've taken 2-4 lines out and you would've been on the right side of the borderline. Character development and creating a sense of intrigue are important components and I felt like you utilised these well through the verse. Even if I think your character could've ultimately been more engaging it kept me interested throughout.

Ultimately I think you did a really good job here, was a really well balanced verse with a couple of refinements could've been an excellent one. I definitely felt like you offered a more complete package and generally more engaging verse.

Overall

I felt like these were two very good verses but I personally felt Battler 32 did a better job of engaging me as a reader and used a wider range of technical tools to keep my interest throughout the drop. Battler 1 possibly had a slightly more interesting concept but failed to fully deliver on it and therefore I felt that this was a clear win for Battler 32.

Vote = 32
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Honestly I'd rather be kicked in the nuts then have to choose between these two vereses, but sadly 'tis the way of the beast...



Battler#1:

Let me start off by saying WOW! The overall mechanics of your verse are awesome, I truly love what you did here. That being said, it is my opinion that although your flow, composition and rhyme schemes were superior and altogether technically sound the complexity of it all far overshadowed the topical aspect of the verse. What I mean is instead of becoming fully emersed and lost within the story I became lost and emersed in the rhymes and alteration. If this were any other form of competition that would be just fine, but this is a topical picture battle and IMO it should have been the other way around. Regardless of all that you did an absolutely amazing job here.

-The first 8 lines were in it of themselves were quotable, fucking fire!


"Used, to be kept in check, time was mindlessly spent following, wallowing in sorrow,

begging for a less hollow tomorrow to follow, plans for a sharp blow were penned,

to crumble the foundations of this utopian society and its propriety,

dropped so minds of men no longer faced regulation of a nation's piety,

no longer forced to say things when lips were pressed; my wings were spread..."

-Loved this bit here

Dope fucking verse through and through, well done.


Battler#32:

Another well written and technically sound verse, but your verse has more of the one thing that, IMO, battler#1's verse is short of and that's a more emersive and complete story line.

This section really stood out to me on a whole other level of real world shit:

"Religion? It was started to divide and to chain,

Televisions pacifying your desire for change,

The entire school system just designs us as slaves,

We’re fueled, but our fire and our life is contained..."
-#RealTalk

Story, composition, rhyme scheme all top notch.


MVGT...Battler#32 by a cunt hair. Like I had said earlier both verses are absolutely incredible, but it is my opinion that the overall complexity of Battler#1's verse takes away from the story and being as this is a topical picture battle the story is important to me. Maximum effort put forth by the both of you, we'll done!

And as always, stay classy LA.
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