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    Posted: 05 January 2015 at 11:41pm


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2015 at 10:38pm
Tamfa

The year is 1346, from nowhere emerged a deadly disease

It was said it sailed the seas, reigned and had many deceased

Cutting family trees like a Lumberjack, population decreased

it traveled with ease, as the mortuary occupation it pleased

Many rodents with fleas on merchant ships carried the plague

Originating from arid plains of central Asia it added the vague

the pestilence was slowly creeping into Europe at the trading city

The City of Caffa in the Crimea, and started making history

Spreading easily into Europe, covering countries with a black cloud

With no doubt a plethora of eyes had witnessed- death sprout

Slithered to Dorsetshire in England, they knew the pest arrived

Counties were quite void with inhabitants almost none were left alive

then it came to Gloucester, then down to Oxford and London

The Yersinia Pestis were so abundant some places were abandoned

In 1347 when the Mongol army under Jeni Beg was also infected...

They threw Infected corpses over city walls after catapults were erected

They did it to infect the inhabitants, so war also Contributed

Goenese traders fled with the plague to Sicily, it was really undisputed

Genoa n Venice, outbreak in Pisa was the entry point to northern Italy

The symptoms were pretty horrid as it was transforming vividly

Like acral gangrene of the fingers and swollen lymph glands

In the neck, thighs, groins and armpits 

Turning black on limb ends

Acute fever and blood vomiting as it showed it's aggression

The infected victims died two to seven days after initial infection

No prevention injection, for eight years it showed straight precedence

medieval people called the catastrophe the Great pestilence

From it's persistent existence beak shaped masks were created

with aromatic items stuffed in the beak to have the plague degraded

because they believed bad smells were the cause of the illness

Worn by Plague doctors around cities to help patients to wellness

Until the germ theory emerged and disproved it's way of prevention

Created by Charles De Lorme, it was still the greatest invention

Commonly known as The Black Death, the plague's wrath in calculation

Resulted to have killed an estimated 30 to 60% of europe's total population

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2015 at 10:38pm
Rutter knows best

The moon shines bright but all else is lost in the smog

On nights like these you gotta question the cost of a god

I put in work to aid my purse in this fucked up reality

Take off this mask I'm only one gasp away from fatality

Amongst the sick immersed I aid the plight and serve

Now I plague the earth to raid the plague for what it's worth

I sing the sweetest symphonies to those about to turn,

Until they leave the burden behind of a life that is cursed

Grotesque images of what the sickness has afflicted

Burns behind my eyes, and it's started to become addictive

But in this world I purge on death to get what I'm earned

All the dead and dying faces are starting to merge

Under the ungodly fog of all the bodies being burnt,

The rich have made it clear burials are too good for peasants

In this cold world i'm told Its gods way of easing congestion

It stole my wife, now for this life I've lost that thirst

The anger inside builds up so high I'm fit to burst

The damage in my head can only be escaped by death,

Survival of the fittest though i feel there's nothing left

Haven't slept for days I sense the rats about to purge

I gotta get there first bodies equal money so I've learnt

All i care is that my pockets are full and bloated,

My hearts beyond repair it's turned cold and frozen,

Corroded with negativity lost in the gruesome n grizzly

Repulsed my own condition I feel like gods fuckiGn with me

I treasured this mask, when I could come home to someone

But I've been seen too much, my minds beyond numb

So lay me dead in the dirt 'm done with words

The next to carry this task i hope they watched and learned

One last tip of my cap, then it's mask off I'm done....god won.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2015 at 2:45am
mvgt tamfa
tam I felt your verse was a really cool take on the picture and u described your story a lot better
a couple areas in the flow were slightly off but it was a good read
this bar was a good bar and imo a great way to introduce us to your verse

The year is 1346, from nowhere emerged a deadly disease

It was said it sailed the seas, reigned and had many deceased

Cutting family trees like a Lumberjack, population decreased

it traveled with ease, as the mortuary occupation it pleased

 
rkb good verse aswell but I felt ur rhyming went off on a few lines and it lost its flow imo
I also felt u could have ended it better some cold lines in there but its a cold picture
it was just the rhyming for me sorry bro
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2015 at 4:52pm

Tamfa – The approach you delivered was one full of education. You clearly are really familiar with the topic of “The Black Death” or you did a complete research on it before you created your verse. I felt like I was in a history class with how you were telling me the travels of the virus. It was pretty amazing to see the progression across the continent. As far as descriptive characteristics I got some in your writing. You began writing about the “black limb ends” and the “acute fever” with “blood vomiting”. But to me, more of your verse was about its travels over Europe rather than the destruction it caused. I think if you honed in on a particular person of family, and it affected them, it would’ve helped you. You could’ve made a personal connection rather giving a quick history lesson. You word usage was stellar as well as your vocabulary rhyming.

 

Rutter Knows Best – You started off giving me an overview of the disease that hit and then incorporated yourself. Brining in a character to a topical can only make the piece more relatable unless it’s a really horrible written piece. I think you did well expressing the feelings of someone who lost his wife in this. Turning from a family person who loved his wife, to a cold dead person inside, now personifying the plague, as well as his dead wife. That was executed pretty well for me. Trying to still survive even though he is depressed and broken, then finally saying fuck it and taking the mask off. I thought you gave some good insight on how a person may feel. Overall, good job here.

 

Overall Verdict – Man, to be completely honest this is a tough one to judge. It’s only the pre-lims and people are bringing it. I thought the picture was powerful and you both brought originality to the battle. I think both artists incorporated visual description in there pieces. I think one artists expressed more feeling than the other. I think that is where I tend to lean. Visual, story, & emotion. The background and history is was cool, but I think a topical, for me is always based on those 3 things. I received that more from one artists then the other.

 

MVGT – Rutter Knows Best  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2015 at 7:09pm
Tamfa: I wasn't super enticed by this piece, it felt too much like a wikipedia entry with slight rhyming to make it a topical. The vocabulary was on point along with some good multi usage. I liked some of the imagery, but it wasn't enough to draw me into the piece very deeply, more like 'oh that was neat' type of moments. I'm not sure if the mention of the plague at the end was supposed to be a big reveal, but it was written in a way that was clearly what all the content was about. I'd like to see more flexibility outside the history. Bring it home for me. Make it about an individual or a single event, the history is just too broad to bring me into the scene and move me emotionally.

Rutter: I see you made some pushes toward character development, which I liked. But it also seemed somewhat chaotic. The switch from 'oh I'm here to help' to 'actually my heart is cold I'm all about money' to 'no wait, suicide' seemed a little abrupt. I'm not saying it was bad, I think there is a definite transition, it just could have been more smooth. Maybe even just putting empty line breaks between some of the bars, which can help show the passing of time instead of it all clumping together and seeming so rapid.

Vote to Rutter for what I feel was the more creative and engaging piece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2015 at 8:28pm
Tampa: Great verse bro, iiked the storyline in this. You started it off well setting the scene well, you went at a completely different angle I thought ya would. The plague story was good and very informative and flowed very well. You painted the story well and the terror that gripped Europe during the black death. It is easily spotted how much research you had done when you wrote this and that added to the verse for me. It was a real good read this and very entertaining, great job bro.

RKB: Another great verse and an enjoyable read. It flowed well and had a nice story behind it. You had painted a good picture of the 'smog' that plagued the big cities of Europe especially London I think it was referred to as 'Pea Soup' but I digress you set the scene well and had some nice multis here and some great internals to help with ya flow. Like I said another great verse, great job bro.

A real tough battle to choose on, two great verses and two completely different takes on the picture. I had to read through multiple times to make a choice and the winner is only so by a hairs breadth. It was a hard choice but I gotta go with the verse I enjoyed reading most, sorry Ritter but...

MVGT Tamfa
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2015 at 5:10am
Tamfa I think you came in with a sick verse I liked the breakdown of the black plague using factual
events to build your piece
The chronological references were solid
Flow wise I think you could've  edited a few things I felt like I couldn't settle the flow issue
whilst reading a few lines were too long for the beat my head played
Rhymes were nice except for these ones Added the vague didn't make much sense
London and abandon didn't rhyme so as
Wellness/illness RKB You had a fluvial verse though I felt you didn't focus on complex schemes as much your plot was
nice you spoke of the character in the picture which I found to be okay your flow was nice I could
play an instrumental and read it out without having to adjust the tempo I was reading in the
rhymes were okay but slightly basic in most areas but I had no problem with that I think tam had a very nice verse problem is a few end schemes didn't connect and the dates
were dope but that made his verse a bit longer
Rkb had a nice flow and I found less multis on his verse compared to tam but all his end
schemes connected and his direct reference to the pic was spot on Mvgt RKB
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2015 at 3:16pm
Tamfa good use of vocab flowwise this wasnt ur best but I think the vocab made up for it. Not a bad story hit and miss in some points. It was cool how you went through and described how it spread throughout Europe tho I thought it got a bit long winded on that part. Overall it was an above average verse I enjoyed how u took the straight forward historical approach. Good shyt

Rut enjoyable read as well. You took more of a story approach which was cool. Flow wise it Also lacked in some points but it didn't hinder the verse. Towards the second half of the verse the story got hard to follow for me personally. What I mean is like it didn't seem as focused as tamfas verse I'll explain more if u need Me to but I'm on my phone right now. Overall it was a dope verse I think if u had have done more with the story maybe add a twist then u could have edged this out. I give tam the vote for having a cleaner more focused verse great battle by both
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2015 at 2:24am
Tamfa - You had a very descriptive piece but in the same case I thought this hurt you a bit. You were so descriptive as to wear the disease was spreading that it really started to become repetitive and take away from the interest of the verse. Towards the second half when you picked up the imagery as to what the virus was actually doing to people it started to get very good. Another issue I had was with he flow though, the scheme's were off at times and just wasn't clicking together throughout the whole verse. Overall it was a decent written piece, that had sections where your writing shined and others that needed some work.

Rutter - I thought your verse was a bit up and down as well. As far as your flow and rhyme schemes everything was on point. I thought your whole verse read very smoothly which is a plus. However, you left too many questions for the readers throughout your verse. I thought you could have really done a better job progressing throughout the story and giving the readers a deeper feeling with what is taking place. You also had some nice moments with imagery as well.

MVGT: RKB - This was a tough vote and really came down to preference. I thought RKB verse was much easier to follow through as a reader and I enjoyed his approach a bit better. Definitely a good battle though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2015 at 6:40pm
Tamfa - was a strange verse, feel like I've made some of the same criticisms of other verses in this prelim...for me I didn't like your rhythm, it didn't read or flow like a rap verse and to me that's how it should read. Individually your lines were smooth enough (not perfect) but you need to bring it together cohesively as a verse. You very also very standoffish in your approach, I'm personally looking for something that reveals a depth of character and your ability to tell a story from a first person perspective when you're given a character in the picture. Ok, you linked it to the plague and I get that you've done your research / known your time period...but equally you don't really specifically refer to anything in the picture until a few lines from the end & you've kind of lost me as a reader as that point. The aim should be to write something compelling, and although I did find your verse interesting on the level of the detail you have & also in terms of your vocab and use of it which was largely impressive (some points felt like you crowbarred a big word or phrase in there...comes off a little pompous).

So yeah, overall there were some features to your verse that I enjoyed and appreciated but ultimately a lot was lacking in terms of the structural cohesiveness of the verse & also the ability to tell a compelling story with depth...ultimately this was just a big long narrative.

Rutter - I think you had the elements that I was looking for from Tamfa...you went first person, you progressed a story, you based a story on the character you'd been given. All positives. If anything I thought you lost a bit of focus, you started off pretty well & I was like 'yeah, I'm going to get a good story out of this' and then it kind of faded into a whole bunch of bland stuff about "grotesque images" (I'm being a bit harsh calling it bland, because it was good descriptive writing...it's just that it didn't really advance your narrative, I kind of wanted a bit of that but also at the same time progressing your story)...because ultimately although you came with a story it was quite simple and you didn't really show a great deal of imagination about what this persons story could've been. That said, I thought you recovered towards the end and progressed your narrative a bit more, which I think saved you really...I also thought your verse read like one verse, so it was more cohesive. Obviously you can still work on rhythm and flow, as you didn't have it nailed by a long shot...but I wouldn't say there was any inherently weak parts either.

So yeah, overall I think you did a pretty good job...I would've liked to see you think through your idea a bit more, and that might've meant you executed the narrative to a higher standard. But you made a good attempt & your verse contrasted well against Tamfa's

Clearly I think Rutter did a better job here I terms of writing a more interesting/compelling verse...I think if Tamfa cleaned up the verse structure and added a human touch to the verse it would've been a much more difficult decision, but, as it is, my vote goes to Rutter for generally executing a better verse.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2015 at 8:47pm
Rutter wins 5-3
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