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Scotty32
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Speaker of Wisdom & Truth Joined: 18 October 2003 Location: North West, UK Status: Offline Points: 10491 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 3-4-0 Form: WLLWLL |
Topic: Let me make my self very clear....Posted: 23 August 2014 at 11:14am |
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As the older members among you while remember. I was once going to close down the site as I was sick of the games, politics and whining like little girls. I was talked out of it by Nep who was going to take over the running of the site. Instead he went off to make Fifa videos. I am now back at that junction again. The site hasn't changed, it's the same old politics, whining and mind games as before. As I am not far of turning 30, and after starting the original LA when I was 15 I now no longer have interest in this shit being in my life anymore. I do not ask for or expect you all to respect or even like me. But I do expect you all to respect the site enough to follow the rules. I do not expect you to try and challenge them in some petty mind games where you think you are far to good to follow them. This is not a democracy, this is my house and it has my rules. These rules are there to protect and benefit you all. If you have no interest in following them, I suggest you don't bother logging back in again. The reason I am back to the idea of closing the site, is the complete lack of respect anyone on the site shows to the site and it's fellow members. The retarded kids who have attention spans of dead house flys with no interest in reading any of the vast information available to them, instead they demand I hold their fucking hands and explain everything to them, over and over again, as they are incapable of retaining the most basic of information. Urban Legends was a fucking joke, nobody could be bothered to vote and others couldn't even be bothered to drop a verse. The monthly awards fiasco, you don't bother voting on those, so they get taken away from you, yet you don't like being mere spectators either? What fuck is it you do want? Other than 'all the glory, with non of the work'? Not to mention the Ink/Packed/Jr shit. There are rules which everyone is expected to follow. And I enforce them as consistantly and as fairly as I can. Yet the site sees it more as a fucking popularity contest. I am expected to give J504 and Kos a chance to clear their names before the ban? Yet Lo Oniel it's "good riddance"? I am expected to bend shit for Ink and Packed and let them have a newer account as their only account, rather than the first one that every other double as been forced to use? Jr is some how better than us all and I should let him run around doing what ever the fuck he wants? And if I have the audacity to even expect him to follow the rules like everyone else, I am "power tripping"? I wanted to return to simply building the site up behind the scenes, such as the LA Radio, and what was going to be Soundcloud integration so your songs appear on your profile. As well as open mics. But SS won't be returning, and I suspect their will be cheers from the back for that, but he was helping me with various things to boost the site up and make things better, they are obviously now not going to happen. It also means I would be forced to return to the 'front lines' and deal with your childish spats instead of adding improvements to the site. Congratulations on that one. So this is my fair warning to the site as a whole. Grow the fuck up. Change your fucking attitudes and stop being such fucking babies. If things do not change around here for the better, then you'll all need to find a new home for your little bitchfests as I won't be paying the server costs to host it anymore. And you wonder why I won't allow a battle league? You're all a fucking joke. |
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Cuba
Senior Moderator
Legendary Assassin Joined: 14 June 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12332 ![]() Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-22-0 Form: WWWWLW |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 11:23am |
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I think maybe it would make your life a bit easier if you didn't have so many rules that you felt you had to enforce. I appreciate that people should read and follow the rules, and I think we all acknowledge that you've been taking steps to try and improve the experience of the site...it's got a lot more going for it than in a long time. But equally, I don't necessarily see the value in you running around banning people, enforcing x rule, y rule. I guess my point is that, what would really happen if you took a very laid back approach from a 'day to day' admin enforcer type role & focused on doing the bits and pieces that you enjoy which is making the improvements to the site?
I remember being a mod back in the day, it's a thankless task and you generally just get a lot of shit and not many plaudits...I can imagine being admin is worse. What I'm trying to say is, maybe look at the cost/benefits. The cost of running around herding the idiots is high in terms of time/energy/sanity...but what benefits are you getting out of that? Could you use that time better doing things you get more benefit out of in terms of enjoyment? |
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Scotty32
Site Owner
Speaker of Wisdom & Truth Joined: 18 October 2003 Location: North West, UK Status: Offline Points: 10491 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 3-4-0 Form: WLLWLL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 11:31am |
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The main rule that seems to be at issue, is the 'upping' rule. I would like nice clean battles, without the pages of spam and shit that happened in the old days. It is easier for the mods to count up votes and close which benefit the battlers. There is no more swaying and shit which ends in back-n-forths. I have seen some seriously insane battles in terms of spam and shit in my time, it benefits nobody.
The problem arises from either the retarded n00bs who don't bother reading the rules or the egotistical twats who think their better than the rules. I do not do empty threats, if I threaten a ban for continued ignoring of the rules, I follow through with it. The double accounts rule is self explainary, yet some of you feel that there should be exceptions made due to popularity. I have no interest in getting involved in popularity contests. |
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Cuba
Senior Moderator
Legendary Assassin Joined: 14 June 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12332 ![]() Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-22-0 Form: WWWWLW |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 11:41am |
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Thing is, I completely understand why you do it...
How about a rule that says any post in a battle other than a verse or a check = 1 vote to the opponent. Then you place a sticky at the top of the battle page that says something like: MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS SIMPLE RULE BEFORE BATTLING Any post in a battle that is not a verse or a check in will result in 1 vote being added to your opponents tally. That way it's not just "I told you", it's "breach of THIS RULE <link to above sticky>, 1-0 to whoever. If you wish to complain use the Fuck Y'all forum <link>" Double accounts I think there's got to be a middle ground...I agree you've got to be fair, but I think that ultimately double accounts are bad if people are voting for themselves...which I personally can't imagine many people would want to do in today's world of battling. Maybe I'm wrong. Comes back to the effort you spend catching them & the shit you have to put up with really. If you don't think it's worth it then why not just not bother? |
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Cuba
Senior Moderator
Legendary Assassin Joined: 14 June 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12332 ![]() Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-22-0 Form: WWWWLW |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 11:44am |
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Or...another controversial idea.
Why not remove the battling feature altogether? Leave people to diss each other in the open mic if they want to & then have the Events as the time when people get to battle. Means you more often than not avoid voting shit altogether and you don't need mods to admin a battlefield if it's not there!! *edit*...also, you can substitute the battle field with range of "pay to play" options. So tourneys where you put a set amount in and cash prize to winner (less few quid to contribute to sites running costs). Even a battle league where you put in X as a deposit and if you don't show up you can lose your deposit. Means you have LESS battles but those you do have are actually FOR something. It works with online poker, why not LA? Edited by Cuba - 23 August 2014 at 11:58am |
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iLL ScriptureZ
Standard Member
Joined: 13 May 2014 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 2477 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 11-5-1 Form: LWWLWW |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 12:26pm |
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Scotty, I respect what you do for site members as far as having it. I get that you pay for this and you can do whatever you want. But I gotta say you are a control freak. You can be though because it's yours. When MVC turds came here I defended this shit. Now I'm being threatened of closure because you need a death grip on everything. I've contributed in a lot of ways here but It's like eating dinner at Hitlers house.
With that said, I will be RARELY posting, if at all. No more feedback, battling, OM, or audios. Only drops I'll do from now on will be by collab and if someone reaches out to me. |
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DJackleZz
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Joined: 23 August 2014 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 12:36pm |
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Good job.... Close down this shitty ass side.
ScriptureZ you're welcome to come to MvC lol. |
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fuckoff
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Joined: 10 April 2013 Location: fucksville Status: Offline Points: 3074 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 27-6-0 Form: WWWWWL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 12:51pm |
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cest la vie man. but i agree with cubas first point. just care less, the net is always gunna be full of trolls. its the human condition. no amount of rule enforcing or arguments will fix that. it is what it is. your an adult, half the people your gettin at are like 12 or 13. it feels like your talking to children because generally, you are. idk, it seems to me you could get away with doing alot less and have less stress if you had a few more mods (not jumped up twats like SS) i know youv got like 3-4 atm but no ones active all the time. you could easily have 10 trusted members doing a lil here an there an leaving less for you.
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fuckoff
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Joined: 10 April 2013 Location: fucksville Status: Offline Points: 3074 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 27-6-0 Form: WWWWWL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 12:56pm |
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also the pay to play battling would be dope. idk how much work that is, but youd be able to take a small cut say 10% of the battle winnings, or people could put money into their wallets, 100 points for a tenner, 1 pound going to you, and then battle by gambling points.
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Arthur
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Joined: 23 August 2013 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2319 Text Rank: #5 Stats: 36-7-0 Form: WWWWLL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 1:01pm |
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delegate sections of the site to each mod.
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Point Blank
Superior Member
Joined: 20 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 7234 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 92-27-5 Form: WWNWWN |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 1:30pm |
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I can 100% see where you're coming from Scotty, but I think you need to listen to some of your non-troll members and forget about the newbs for a minute. I completely agree with everything Cuba has said in this post...
It's only since you introduced some of the newer rules that the site has gone tits up from a moderating point of view - some of the rules are ridiculously petty, especially in regards to battling. How many members have you seen around the board with battling bans? You've even got respected members such as Law & Kiki, who clearly have no intention of causing any trouble to the battlefield or the website in general, not able to battle because they've done something as trivial as posting in their battle to acknowledge the other person's drop and tell them they had a good verse. If half the members on the site are going round with Battling Ban's and troll stamps it's not gonna look good for LA. Yes, I understand that you want to cut down on spam, and that can still be done without needlessly banning people or branding them as trolls. FO made a good point, you have a good range of respected members to choose from who you could also make moderators to help you out. If SS wants to throw his toys out of the pram and go off in a sulk cos people are angry at how strict he was as a mod then you don't need him. If he wants to be a little more lenient, not so intense and come back and help the site move forward, which he is obviously capable of doing, then tell him to come back here. I've had a few spells as moderator on this site myself and I happily went about my business without causing too much fuss. Admittedly, I mainly focused on moderating the battle field rather than other parts of the site, but I did it without causing an uproar. If I seen a lot of posts in a battle that were unneeded, I'd just delete/'hide' them and post saying 'cut the spam, just votes from now on' or something and that was that. You don't have to go round banning people and posting about the up rule every day, or branding new members as 'trolls' which will just deter them from staying on the site. If you want me to become a moderator again I'll happily take on the role just to help in and around the battlefield and keep it running smoothly like I always did. |
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Shankley
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Joined: 03 September 2013 Location: Leeds, England Status: Offline Points: 3369 Crew: Kratos Kind Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 37-43-1 Form: WNLWWL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 1:55pm |
To be fair SS was doing a lot of work for the site, helping Scotty out with adding the Radio function contributing massively to the Audio Mic section and giving great feedback at great time expense to him self and added a feedback thread so ANYONE can drop ANYTHING and he would break it down and gave great advice. He makes one big decision ( and from what I've read it was the right one) and everyone is up in arms about it, forgetting all this work because someone was banned for possibly having 2 accounts which everyone knows is the number 1 rule. But I agree about leaving all the petty bullshit to the mods and that leaves Scotty to improve the site however he sees fit, he can't sort the masses of new members who fail to read the rules and the "established" members who fail to follow them as well as sort the battlefield out of the bullshit posts and closing finished battles and make all the improvements he would like to make. And them that are like " Oh all these rules and popular members with double accounts are being banned, well then I won't be postig ANYTHING again. Fuck it all I'm off." If that's how you feel then fuck off, if the "unpopular" members are being banned for havig more than one account then I would like to see the more "popular" members with more than one account being banned also. I mean where is the protest for havin ToXXXic and DjFlame being unbanned, it's fucking pathetic to have one decision (minor decision) turn so many members against the powers that be. |
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fuckoff
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Posted: 23 August 2014 at 2:14pm |
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dont be blind jus cause hes your crew man, SS was wayy over the top, with everything not jus banning people an quite obviously bipolar. im not suprised hes having a break, his family probly staged a intervention and put him in eHab. he did give great feed and hes a great writer no oned denying that, he just got a bit wierd and socially awkward. n no one gives a fuck about flame because they dont contribute. J5, is, and was one of the best writers here, its a shame to lose a talent like that. if this isnt a place for a talent its not a place id wanna be. we're lucky to have so many good writers.
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Shankley
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Posted: 23 August 2014 at 2:25pm |
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It has nothing to do with him being crew, and thats a cheap way to try and discredit what I said. J5 or Kos or whoever it is maybe a good writer but if here is evidence enough to ban him then who am I or anyone else to say they are seperate people. The main rule is 'Only one account per person', how would you feel if you had 2 accounts and were found you got banned and then say PB also was found to have 2 accounts and wasn't banned because "He is more popular and he is more established" you'd feel pretty pissed off that he was allowed because more people liked him than you. That's what it appears to be the case here, as it has been posted before "It is not a popularity contest break the rules and face the consequences" it is simple to understand and obviously you'll get those who think they can beat the system but in the end they are all caught. And as Scotty has said if "they" come forward with concrete evidence that they are separate peolle thy will be unbanned but as of yet there still appears to be a distict lack of this evidence.
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Trizzy Tre
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Joined: 28 March 2013 Status: Offline Points: 5101 Crew: EMPIRE Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 30-7-1 Form: WLWLWW |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 3:01pm |
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First off the troll shit and battle bans had gotten outta hand conpletely.
Yes some earned that title but some didnt. Even when I would read why they got the ban, I never really understood it. Throwing down the iron fist on every little thing only gives you more of a headache then needed. When I first joined LA none of that was going on, it was active and enjoyable. Now its gotten to the point where top heads and other long time LA members are frustrated. Why? Cuz they posted in a spot once or twice that they shouldnt? ....then a ban? Like the last 8 years contributing as a members time ment nothing and they're treated like a MVC troll? Not a good look IMO.....
As for J5...dude was a dope ass writer and know one is questioning that. But if the proof is there, then the proof is there. I'm not siding with banning him forever nor am I saying free the account. Its just if a double account is created, their first account should be the only one thats active. Yet some people think the "better battle record account" should be the one that stays active....that shouldnt be the case. J5 or whomever he was is a cool dude, so its nothing personal just using that situation as an example regarding that issue.
lol
SS was a great contributor to the site and all, ....but was more part of the problem. Honestly he was. As much as he wanted to play the "good guy", everyone saw through his bullshit. I mean the dude would pick endless fights with people, then if someone talked back he'd use the "I'm a mod" bullshit so the other person would look bad....then bans outta know where would come. No REAL respected mod would do that crap. I dont care what he was going to do to help LA, its the 2 faced front he put up on the site people hated. Which is why know one respected him. (Although in his mind he thought differently) I'm sure he still trolls LA, which I fully expect. He cant be on LA 24 hours a day and cut it off cold turkey...lol
Lastly....
I think if everyone relaxed and enjoyed the real reason why we're all here.....to write. Share our work. Feed other work. Battle. And most of all be a community....cuz thats what we are. It'd be a better place overall......
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fuckoff
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Posted: 23 August 2014 at 3:09pm |
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^^agree 100%
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Elite
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Joined: 16 February 2014 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3340 Crew: eNtiTy Audio Rank: #3 Stats: 5-0-0 Form: WWWW |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 3:16pm |
I completely agree. If the trolls (mostly MvC) were rid of this site completely, and all the people like XLNC who's only purpose here IS to troll, I think this would be a real relaxed place. Until we get a new wave of "troll takeover".I love this site, and I would be extremely disappointed to see it go. Trizz, you hit it right on the head, we are here to write bars. That's how it should be. I think we will see better things for LA in the long run because I'm not "giving up hope" on this site because of some trolls and upping bullshit. And tbh, I could care less about the double account situations. You do that, you get banned. That's the day 1 rule.
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Scotty32
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Speaker of Wisdom & Truth Joined: 18 October 2003 Location: North West, UK Status: Offline Points: 10491 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 3-4-0 Form: WLLWLL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 3:25pm |
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I think you have all got it wrong. This is not something that is open to discussion, it is quite simply a warning that unless your attitudes change, I will be closing the site down for good.
It seems you either didnt read what I said, or you simply ignored it. As the "cool guys should be given a break" bullshit is continuing. Kiki and his fair share of warnings about bumping his battles, he ignored them and got a battling ban. He then processed to do it again and again and again. So he got more battling bans and eventually a temporary suspension. I quite frankly have no idea wtf you want me to do? Ignore it because he's popular? Just keep warning him with empty threats? Or take the action I took. Same with Junior, despite his claims of never spamming, he was actually warned repeatedly by separate moderators as well as showing knowledge of updated rules. Again for some reason he should of been ignored because hes "popular"? That as I have said is of no interest to me. It as actually the regular members lack of interest or desire to follow the rules and to persistently flaunt them that is annoying me most. On top of that, I have the rest backing them up that they were unfairly punished and their rule breaking should be ignored simply because they are popular. Judging from the way this thread is going, I would start backing up any verses you wish to keep, as they won't be around for much longer. |
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fuckoff
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Posted: 23 August 2014 at 3:32pm |
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mate, im not gunna get at you, or trying too, but LA has 10+ years of history, think of the art, its almost hard to comprehend how many people have put time and effort into this site, IMO on the whole fucking net an immeasurably huge thing, this site is stands out as different and special, you should be proud of what youv given to a nearly countless amount of people. to destroy that over petty shit is a shame. its your site man, you can do what you want. but i guarantee youd regret it.
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Scotty32
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Speaker of Wisdom & Truth Joined: 18 October 2003 Location: North West, UK Status: Offline Points: 10491 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 3-4-0 Form: WLLWLL |
Posted: 23 August 2014 at 3:42pm |
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Fuckoff, I am not going to "destory it over petty shit". I am simply removing hassle from my life.
Why should I have to put up with twats like Junior Shade who create a fuck yall thread filled with nothing but abuse, simply because he felt he was to good to follow the rules? I gave him a battling ban after a fair amount of warnings. I simply do not need that and should not have to deal with that shit. Do you not remember the amount of outrage and abuse I received for giving Manc a couple days ban for blatantly ignoring my warnings. Was that really well deserved? Again, should I simply allow him to continue to do what he wanted, just because he was ranked #1? And this is the problem, its basically 10 yrs of ungrateful twats throwing fits because I wont let them have their own way. I am simply sick of having to take the shit from this morons. I was sick of it 4 yrs ago when I was fully prepared to close the site before. |
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