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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2012 at 4:24pm
LMAO @ "Cuba swaying"...how the fuck can you say "I used a Muamba punch first, it was meeeee Cry" and then criticise me in the same post for saying that I've used the same/similar concepts...my point was that, you can generically say "that punch is played", which is vague...but I absolutely know that I have used some of those concepts against Point before. It aint about ego, it's just me saying that he's used some playes that I know have been done before.

That applied to like 3 punches...if I'd came in the thread and said "oh that punch is played, and so is that one" then you'd probably criticise me for not backing it up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2012 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by Cuba Cuba wrote:

LMAO @ "Cuba swaying"...how the fuck can you say "I used a Muamba punch first, it was meeeee Cry" and then criticise me in the same post for saying that I've used the same/similar concepts...



Re-read my vote. I mentioned that the Muamba line was played - I didn't start yonnering on about how it was ME that used it first - or that I even used it? But you did.
I wouldn't ave even mentioned WHO used it if it wasn't for my reply to your shady subliminal voting tactics - so miss me with that 'hypocritical' shit.

You said it in your vote when you didn't need to. And your counting is pretty shitty for an accountant. You called him out on 5 used punches.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2012 at 9:06pm
The Muamba punch can hardly be deemed 'played'...it was a hot topic when I wrote my verse (3 days after it happened) and thats why I threw it in. I don't recall seeing anyone else use a Muamba punch apart from you in an open mic, and you used it in a completely different context (I actually used wordplay in my bar and it had relevance). I don't see how you can say that bar felt 'used', when Swift was pulling out avatar/rankings punches, which Gemos and Rameez had both done in the previous rounds of the tourny against me, and on top of that were all the lead/diss-a-point bars that have been used so many times before.

Don't get me wrong, I think Swift had a decent verse, but if you're going to bemoan 'played' punches then at least be consistent
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2012 at 9:49pm
I've never seen those plays before - so why would I say they are played out?

and correct me if I'm wrong - but are you saying your Muamba reference was a relevant play, yet mine wasn't?
Below is the first one I used - literally hours after the news was announced. It was in an OM called 'Sharpening My Claws' 17th March.....

I'll bench any heavyweight...lads please - I'll slam ya
drop you on the field like Fabrice Muamba



and the next one I used was 3 days later on the 20th March - a totally different approach to the play on words.......

cocky prick - like them London police tryna be damn tough
we see Fabrice arrested on the field, minus the handcuffs





Then yours was used 4 days later. But had also already been used by Spume Corrupt and Kay - before you used it. Fresh - I agree - but already used 4 times. Anyway


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2012 at 10:23pm
I don't wanna seem like I'm bitching about your vote but I know for a fact you have seen some of those plays before (you voted in the Rameez battle in the first round, for example).

And lol, man I sent YOU my verse at 5:11pm on the 20th, and you dropped your open mic with that second Muamba punch in 4 hours later at 9:11pm, so don't be saying you used it twice before me when you technically never. And no, I'm not saying your bar wasn't a relevant play, but I'm saying mine did have relevance to Swift looking like he was going to no-show, coz he couldn't 'handle the beating' - like Muamba's heart. I fully acknowledge that my verse looks half-assed because it was a few hours before the deadline and I didn't think he'd turn up, but I worded my last couple of bars in such a way that they'd still be effective even if he did show, which thankfully Cuba picked up on. 

Anyway, 3-3

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2012 at 10:33pm
I'm not arsed who used it first second or third - but the fact it's been used now 5 times within less than a month of it happening, to me, constitutes a played bar. Similar bars used, years ago - to me don't constitute a played bar. Especially seein as I dont remember seein any of them.
People are at a disadvantage before they even start, due to the sheer amount of battles you've had, which would narrow the possibility of coming up with an original play on you.

I don't remember reading the other play in any round of this tourney - genuinely.....and don't get it twisted, cuz Im not saying your verse was shit by any means. You're number 2 for a reason. I personally didnt think it was half arsed - I just think that if you'd have used more lines - it'd of sealed the deal.

My problem is with Cuba - not you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2012 at 12:58am
Ill wait lol. the votes are close, lets get the rest in!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2012 at 6:59pm
lol how about separate the bitching from votes.. So far all votes are fair, I don't see any problems. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2012 at 10:21pm
Wait, wait...

Originally posted by Manc Manc wrote:

Originally posted by Cuba Cuba wrote:

LMAO @ "Cuba swaying"...how the fuck can you say "I used a Muamba punch first, it was meeeee Cry" and then criticise me in the same post for saying that I've used the same/similar concepts...



Re-read my vote. I mentioned that the Muamba line was played - I didn't start yonnering on about how it was ME that used it first - or that I even used it? But you did.
I wouldn't ave even mentioned WHO used it if it wasn't for my reply to your shady subliminal voting tactics - so miss me with that 'hypocritical' shit.

You said it in your vote when you didn't need to. And your counting is pretty shitty for an accountant. You called him out on 5 used punches.


HAHAHAHAHAHA...that shady subliminal voting, the way I OPENLY come out and breakdown both verses & then give my opinion on which verse is better & then vote that way. That is some shady shit I am up to up, dam, I've been completely rumbled.

But to respond directly to what you said...since you aren't able to do the same thing yourself

Originally posted by Manc Manc wrote:

And your counting is pretty shitty for an accountant. You called him out on 5 used punches.


I called him out on 5 punches where concepts have been used before...I called him out on 3 where I've used specific punches before: 5*s/3*s (that is ONE), PB/Lead concept (that's TWO), Diss-a-point (that's THREE).

Btw, that shit is arithmetic...not accountancy.

Originally posted by Manc Manc wrote:

Re-read my vote. I mentioned that the Muamba line was played - I didn't start yonnering on about how it was ME that used it first - or that I even used it? But you did.


I've not read & I'm not complaining about your vote (because I haven't read it so I don't know what idiotic shit you've been saying in that post)...I was replying to YOU (yes, this is you, Manc, not me, Cuba) saying this:

Originally posted by Manc Manc wrote:

you failed to mention that the Muamba line was used by ME in an OM hours after the event had happened


So wait...you wouldn't have even brought it up unless it hadn't been for my reply? Even though my reply was in reply to you bringing it up? Do you know people can actually go back and read the thread and check? Stern Smile


Originally posted by Manc Manc wrote:

I'm not arsed who used it first second or third - but the fact it's been used now 5 times within less than a month of it happening, to me, constitutes a played bar.


That is honestly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in the history of LA (and I've read a lot of posts by Scotty, KayB & Frank White)...so a concept that has been used 4 years ago is FRESH because you haven't seen it (but has been used before), but Point's punch is played because you logged online while Muamba was splayed out on the pitch to get in there first & other people dropped punches (including you) AFTER Point came up with his play. Shit, if it was so played then why did you drop your second Muamba punch?! If being second to something makes it PLAYED, why the fuck are you dropping TWO Muamba punches?!!?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2012 at 11:09pm
I saw my name mentioned
But really you won't find a muamba line
In any my work (must be mistaken)
I saw it done an went with a redknapp punch
That's the confusion
It went manc kay point

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2012 at 1:26am
aha so yea, it was Kay then

sshh Cuba. You talk too much
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2012 at 9:54pm
Ok then, I can see this is a closely fought contest so I won’t drop a half arsed vote!
I’m gonna feed these shitters an break em down just as I see em, then you'll have my honest opinion and you can take it or leave it
Props on reaching the final both of you……..lets go


Swift. Opener - Its not working for me the first line kinda bigs Point up a bit an the 3/5 stars thing…Nah, I mean is 5 stars better than 3? What about 4 stars? Frank white has 4
2nd Nice rhyme on the multi here but can’t see a punch, just you understanding his frustration at being second best on this site really…No hit
3rd I loved the idea behind this thought it was a direct hit , but and there is a but the rhyme did seem forced I was not comfortable reading (In the 1 spot/gunshot) Better wording would have made this clean Maybe Blah blah Number 1 spot// but Points not hitting blah blah blundered gunshot = smoother less forced
4th not sure really first line kinda backfires again punch is better but not great damage done with this… I mean you just realized something that’s all. Not too thuggish
5th Don’t like this one! First line was double cheese, transition was shocking and that rocky punch line was going nowhere! Just horrible
6th Thought the punch line was good on this! Nice hit good imagery and concept
7th No hit here with the CHAIN thing! At least I can’t see a hit
8th Concept was there but the wording was bad imo..(ya calling him deadly regardless)
9th Smashing on Roasted nuts? Really..........No way man
10th This could have an should have been dope but the wording is not right man! Ya saying ya gonna disappoint at the end of the day Plus challenging a Wanker! What at man?
Closer – Set up hits a lot harder than the punch! You had something with this concept, but did not hit it right
 
Point. Opener – Ok so he got dropped from a crew, they must have been shit and they dropped him so he’s wack? It’s an ok hit but nothing major…… first line was nasty good use of filler to hit swifts mumma
2nd Flow was smooth on this bar hit was ok wordplay was ok wording was very nice but I felt this just lacked that sting of a heavy hit
3rd Best punch/diss of the battle so far (imo) plus this came with a lil swagger too flow was smooth too I liked this bar nice concept
4th Set up for this one was a bit cheesey man! I mean sent wild!!!WTF is that mean?
Punch line was much better wordplay was cool
5th This is a wasted bar (imo) nothing direct but you do try to keep the heat on your opponent! But no real hit here man
6th I like the way you played this one I can’t beef with this kinda bar I use at least 1 in most battles it freshens shit up from being only about nameplays an that. You linked it well to yo opponent and its fresh material. Wording was cool on the punch line
Closer -  You tried to stay hitting with this, but really despite nice multis on this it was a bit throw away. A missed swing at best
 
Well
Honestly I reckon you guys had about the same amount of successful hits in this battle.
Swift had that Autobot shit his best punch I thought
Point had that Wailing wall shit punch of the battle IMO
I found Swft’s verse just felt uncomfortable and awkward at times plus some of the wording was sketchy/suspect
Point came with that much smoother flow and the verse was polished, so easier reading
 
This was a tight battle but I think both writers failed to write too they full potential so it’s harder to call.
Experience showed through I think, I just found Point’s verse had that edge at the end of the day I enjoyed it more
Vote = Point Blank


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2012 at 10:37pm
Id like to point out that its the other way around for me, because you are british of course points verse is going to flow better for you, since I live in the U.S.A Swifts verse has a better flow for me. Just gonna throw that out there. Because I don't think voting based on the flow of 2 different accents is valid
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2012 at 11:01pm
Lol
If that's a complaint take it to I don't give a fuck.Com
Otherwise let me have my say dude
And JFTR if you read my feed its obvious I preffered points verse for more reasons than just flow

Now get off Swifts dick I been suspicious of yo actions for a while now
Notice how I fed yo open str8 after voting! Was calculated to measure a response
I predicted to myself you'd be on this
Thanks damn I'm good

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2012 at 12:24am
Originally posted by spume corrupt spume corrupt wrote:

Well
Honestly I reckon you guys had about the same amount of successful hits in this battle.
Swift had that Autobot shit his best punch I thought
Point had that Wailing wall shit punch of the battle IMO
I found Swft’s verse just felt uncomfortable and awkward at times plus some of the wording was sketchy/suspect
Point came with that much smoother flow and the verse was polished, so easier reading
 

aight dude well your contradicting yourself here. 

and man you must have nothing to do with yaself besides try an play detective on LA, well you failed homes. The only reason I posted that is because your vote was pretty whack (oh yeah you did all the formatting, and sure its long and shit but ya on points dick the whole way, and it dont look like your gettin off it), and it aint clear what the fuck your trying to say your reason for voting was. 

I dont know what the fuck your tryin to do here Spume, but lemme let you in on a secret. Your a lot less smart then you think you are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2012 at 6:49am
My reason for voting? Lol
Do I need one
My vote was the same as 50 percent others
Both was shit
Points less so
Now STFU Gemos

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2012 at 6:50am
My reason for voting? Lol
Do I need one
My vote was the same as 50 percent others
Both was shit
Points less so
Now STFU Gemos
You had yo say now its sway

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2012 at 1:47pm
imo a punch/concept is only played when used in the same concept/worded the same...Points muamba punch wasnt
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2012 at 9:12pm
Agreed Kay.

Cheers spume, 4-3 to me
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